-- that is it for "studio b." "your world" is coming up next, with neil cavuto. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> i have a question for this young man! neil: nancy pelosi has been cut little slack, even from democrats. welcome, everyone. i am neil cavuto. you know it is bad when claire mccaskill says stop speaking on the same day that steny hoyer and nancy pelosi called protesters un-american. even the president of the united states is using to step back from the heat here, while commenting on reform efforts south of the border today.

>> it is a healthy thing. neil: the editor for the op-ed news, nancy pelosi did not say anything for weeks, now that protesters are getting nervy. but all of them? >> here is the thing. let me cut to the chase. these town hall protesters are denying the dozens of other people who have come to these meetings, they are denying those folks free speech. there are a lot of other protests that have happened in the past by liberal groups, but one thing that you will notice is that there is a line that they do not cross. they do not protest town hall debates and open forums, those are the chances to interact. neil: are you looking at the foot -- footage that i am? in 2006 they wanted to give a speech in michigan state, and they were heckled.

he was called a racist, kicked, and spit on. that was not bad, but this is? >> i disagree with that. that is the point where we have to draw the line. free speech, these people are allowed to do it. it is wrong for them to deny all of those other folks across america. i will tell you, there will be a backlash against this. people will look at this and say that if this is what they have to do to stop health care, their argument must be weak. go up to the microphone and make your argument. neil: i do not know where your rage was in 2007, when condoleezza rice was heckled. that became a big scene with the blood of millions. then it was a proper use of

protest. what is good for the goose should be good for the gander, right? >> if they want to go to a hearing on health care on the hill, want to disrupt that -- they need to realize that they will be arrested like these folks, that is okay. do not disrupt other americans opportunities to be heard. neil: free speech is free speech, right? in april of 2003, hillary clinton was criticizing the lack of free speech issue. >> i am sick and tired of people that say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you are not patriotic. we should stand up and say that we are americans and we have a right to debate and to disagree with any administration." >> i happen to agree. i do not think that that is a conflict. again, i want to reiterate the

point, if someone tried to pass a law saying that they could not do it, i would have to switch sides. but it is a bad situation when one of the few opportunities that people have to talk directly to their elected officials are disrupted. that is un-american. neil: you are assuming that all of these events are disrupted. when someone is asking if a congressman has read the bill, and they said they have not. or someone says the they're not sure there will not be a public option. or someone else said that they are looking into the concerns but they cannot be guaranteed to baron -- cannot guarantee to address all of them, what is to stop people from striking back and getting angry? that is the american way. expressing wrath. >> i hope that that is not happening in too many situations. neil: it happened with arlen

specter and kathleen sebelius, which scared a lot of folks as they are. people on the debate. >> i would hate to be those guys. to your point, there is nothing wrong with people getting after someone for saying something like this. but to have a concerted effort to make sure that the other people at the forum do not get a chance to be heard, that is the problem. neil: you are assuming that they are not getting heard. you are assuming that they have not addressed the issues. they have acted out in many of these forums, either not getting a straight answer or politicians are dodging them. they do not do this unsolicited. are there cases where there are histrionics'? yes. it is safe to say, from the examples that i mentioned, this is something that no party is

held behind. >> a memo was leaked a few days ago where they talk about this happening, encouraging people to disrupt the forum. neil: did you feel the same way when other groups were saying that any time an administration official was in a public forum in speaking about the war, we are going to crash that -- where would you write that? >> i have not seen many instances of code think actually doing that. neil: are you kidding? it could be its own channel. >> they have protested hearings , protested republican conventions. i think that the people at these town halls doing the same thing should confine their activities to those types of events. i do not think that this is the right place. neil: all right, steve. good to see you. thank you.

protesters, not american? lifelong democrats who are opposing the health care plan, they attended a lively rally in michigan. barbara and bill, joining us now. welcome to both of you. first, i am going to get the obligatory question out of the way -- did anyone put you up to attending the rally? >> absolutely not. stories of people being dropped off by buses, that did not happen. neil: how did you get there? >> this was the first one we had ever decided to go to outside of local issues. we got in a car and found out that there would be one. so, we found our way there. it was very orderly. people standing in line, talking with each other. it was very quiet. neil: what were folks saying?

>> they are concerned about what they are seeing in the bill. clearly, there are discrepancies and we would like to know the differences. neil: when you ask questions, how did it go? >> in our case, we had to write the question down. we were not allowed to stand at the microphone. questions were passed forward, they selected the questions that they would answer. what happened, when things go would give an answer, someone would ask for say that there was more to this. there was no discussion, just a presentation. neil: this was the event where the father who had the sun with sri role palsy got very animated

because his questions were not being answered. he had to be removed from the forum. what precipitated that? >> there were a lot of -- first of all, the event was very stage. we were standing in line. there were people in line with signs supporting the bill and the congressman. then those people exited the line. they were being ushered out, going through a back door into the meeting room, and ultimately those people filled out the first four rows of the room. it was a very festering frustration kind of thing. any time there was support of it -- support for the bill, people in the front were cheering. people in the back or on the

sides, they were feeling like there is no discussion. when nancy pelosi was talking about how people would be shouting and not having discussion, these things appear to be staged. neil: on the other side, you felt that it was staged to make it look democratic friendly? >> clearly that was the case. the only people allowed in the room with signs were the supporters of front. there was actually a gentleman in their carrying a sound -- a sign outside with obama as hitler. it turns out that he was outside handing out dingle information

on the health care program. it appears that he was a part of the operation. neil: you have been to a rally, you know what goes on. now, both sides are questioning the value of these events. what do you say? >> the value of the event is that it should conveyed to the elected officials that they are not getting it. it is about time that they are open to hearing exactly what the people are saying. there are so many things in this bill that are scary. we look out let me ask you -- neil: let me ask you, when nancy pelosi says that people

protesting our un-american, how do you feel about that? >> it makes people like us more angry. we are not protesters in the sense that the news indicates we are sometimes. yelling and screaming. we have seen this kind of event before, very peaceful. 99% of the people that we met and saw were not there yell. they would yell when they would get a response from the congressman that was contrary to the language in the bill. somebody needed to hear that that was not the entire story. neil: thank you both very much. >> thank you for the opportunity. neil: thank you. even sarah palin, wait until you find out what she said and where she said it.

the ceo of general motors is taking customers on a joyride.

neil: sarah palin is not mincing words when it comes to the president's health look plan. on her facebook page she wrote "the america that i know and love is not one where my parents or my baby with down syndrome will have to stand in front of the obama death and all." -- death panel." dr. lee baker says that she is not far off. doctor, that seems extreme. >> i think that it is a bit extreme. yes. right now it is because of obama looking at the end of life

care. the last and a majority of the health care costs are in the last 12 years. if you get a bad disease, that is when you will need the medical care. sometimes it does not work and you die. and neil: sometimes to call it a concoction of evil is a bit much, right? >> for point is that she does not want administrators to be making the call. both of my parents died of cancer, one was 56, the other was 66. doctors do sit down and tell you look, these are the options. you have got to change the expectations of people in america. neil: what i was trying to bring across at the outset is that we have that going on in our health

system now. we have rationed care now. i know that the fear is that it would be on steroids with a national program. but for them to start saying things like death panel, it destroys the debate, does it not? >> perhaps, but i think that the point of what she is trying to say is one of the things we have talked about before, where does personalized maddison fit in? individuals do not always react the same way as the masses. what about the 30% of people that do not respond to a typical drug? neil: she is going further than that. she mentioned her baby, more or less implying that in such a system that the baby is out of luck in this feature system.

>> we need to make sure that the doctor and patient get together. neil: i do not think that we can advance the bay through name calling for piper adjective using. we will not make progress, then we are no better than the folks that we chastise. >> i agree. calling it evil? now, this is an attempt to get people -- no, this is an attempt to give people more health care. we want people to be able to have the basics. where is the personal responsibility? well this is something that you have got to do. exercise, eat right, stop smoking. neil: let's not get crazy. thank you, doctor.

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neil: general motors is trying to drive up sales by letting customers take a test drive with the head of the company. first, to jeff in michigan with more. >> if you were here you would get a chance to ride in a corvette. these are 100 real people, customers, many of them have never had a general motors car. they got together off of the internet. i tell you, i have never seen automobile it set -- automobile

executives of more accessible than today. see this fellow in the red hat? eating some ice cream, that is rich henderson. he has been getting feedback all day. they have said that they want to make this company the most public private company that can make it. >> what car would you put me in, as the ceo? >> it depends on which one. the average 24-year-old would very likely get one of our chevrolet, but we would like to sell you a cadillac. >> have you learned anything today, sir? >> quite a bit, actually.

>> no necktie, everyone seems very comfortable. will this be a trend? >> when it is 90 degrees and we are outside, absolutely. >> what did you have a chance to tell mr. henderson? >> that as a young person, these cars are very much improving. >> that you might be a general motors driver at some point? >> eventually. >> thank you, sir. i will let you get back to mr. henderson. maybe the culture is changing? neil: thank you, jeff. a few customers going for a drive, taxpayers and our money, funding these promotions. now, you do not like them? why not.

>> this is business as usual for general motors. sitting around and eating ice cream, in some cases eating lobster. you get to drive a car, all done in the name of marketing. but this is not business as usual. this company just went through bankruptcy. when that did not work, there was a government bailout. now they are driving corvettes and camaro is in the middle of one of the worst recessions we have seen in a lifetime. maybe they need to rethink their marketing. neil: it is getting people's attention, judging by the cash for clunkers program, from loading sales that would have happened later, the think that general motors is having its

boat floated? >> is easy to criticize. when we go through this, in any sort of recession, we talked about if we should cut marketing or promotional expenses. someone who makes a living off of advertises, you should cut back. the only reason that these cars are selling is because there is a government incentive for people to buy them. car sales are going to drop like a rock. guess what? not that many people out there, as nice as the camaro is, i do not think that is the kind of car that people will be driving in the years to come. i do not know what the point is other than to make a big splash on television. you can see fritz henderson talking to an audi driver, and the guy says that he will go out eventually to buy a gm car.

neil: so, maybe they are back and they have had a few cars that are good, but you think it is too little too late? out that the perception that general motors is a loser is out there and it cannot be shaken? >> there has got to be something about that perception. go to a chevy dealer. neil: are they serving lobster and ice cream? >> maybe they should be. you know what? these businessmen have to make a living off of operating profits, but general motors is just going to raise your taxes. thank you, al. neil: a doctor that could you?

how about a congressman.

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neil: all right. mother nature has been busy today. we are getting word of a massive 7.6 earthquake striking in the indian ocean, triggering a tsunami warning for the area around myanmar. the u.s. geological survey is watching it very closely. this on the heels of the reports

of a follow-up earthquake in tokyo, registering 6.6. there were environments outside them were registering 7.1. we will keep track of both. for now, mother nature is pretty hard. >> if we cannot put our family in the system, why should the rest of us? >> people are tired. are they going to be willing to pay the same plan? [yelling] neil: if you cook it, you damn well better eat it. that is what my next guest is

saying. congressman john flemming, a republican and a doctor from louisiana. you say that if congress is going to propose this, they should take it up? >> absolutely. i came to washington for the first time in january, concerned about the arrogance and hypocrisy of congress. i found that i grossly underestimated the problem. house resolution 615 simply says that if you vote for a public option, then you are willing to join it. there is a list in congress, it says that they do not have to join. so far we have 300,000 americans that have signed the petition. the rapidity with which that is growing is increasing, and i have been reaching out to democrats in the house and not have signed on.

bill: it goes against what henry waxman has said, "that that is the beauty of what they are proposing, you have the option of keeping what you have for going public here " that they would be exercising that. -- public." that there would be exercising that. >> i do not believe it. understand, today we have medicare, the microcosm of a single payer system. heavily subsidized and supported by private insurance. as we large that balloon, it will begin to create a black hole, sucking in private insurance recipients. it may be estimated that as many as 113 americans will be pulled off of the role, into the remaining system. a lot of people who like what they have and want to keep it will not be able to do that

because of the differential cost to businesses that must save costs in order to compete. neil: when i argued that it will never happen, you are saying that it will and that you have proof. but the argument not withstanding, doctor, i would be curious on your own take on any kind of health care reform passing this year? >> again, i came to washington looking for health care reform. we want common-sense reform, not nonsense reform. there are a court 10 million americans the desire private insurance that cannot afford it, for different reasons like pre-existing conditions, and we want to focus on their needs. most americans can get health care and coverage. i would really have to say that totally destroying a really good system, the best in the world,

remaking it into the image of canada or britain, where they are very unhappy with their systems, where they have lots of difficulties, i think that that is the wrong thing to do. neil: senator mccaskill, the democratic senator that had protesters where there was a legitimate beef, not being cut off, as nancy pelosi implied. how much are we getting in terms of backlash? >> there is tremendous backlash in terms of the videos where people say this is a litmus test. if we are willing to explore the budget to the tune of $1

trillion over the next 5 to 10 years, why not sign up now and show us? make a good example. we have tried to pass language in the house resolution in the committee itself. democrats voted it down. neil: thank you very much. today, the ntsb with a follow-up press conference regarding the crash over the weekend involving a helicopter and small airplane. let's get this update. >> the fixed-wing aircraft has not been recovered yet. they continue to have positive hits from the sonar throughout the day. they are working to verify the target. looking to see if they can follow the aircraft. they will continue to work on that. it continues to be challenging conditions. the water in this area, it is very deep, 50 feet to 60 feet.

the currents are strong and visibility is very limited. going down one to two feet. they continue to work very hard. we were very impressed with their work yesterday, they were able to recover the helicopter and a large portion of the helicopter is examined on day -- examined on a secure pier. there were some parts that were separated from the helicopter, at the time of the collision we would continue to look for all of the aircraft parts. we will wait to see what we can find. there have been a lot of questions about the aerospace, as you all are aware. the accident occurred in very complex airspace over new york

city. three major carrier airports and a variety of other general aviation facilities accommodating fixed-wing and rotary aircraft. there were amphibious aircraft, most of the airspace in the area has been designated class b by the faa. the fr operations are authorized below the airspace level, surrounding this area in the

hudson river in the east river, as we have discussed before. we were here for the lidell accident investigation in 2006. these areas were identified in 1971, and at the time it was to provide an area for trancing, the parting, or landing aircraft. the floor extended down to the river. anyone within the aerospace needed to coordinate with air traffic control, positively controlled within class b airspace. a crime to be located in these

areas, aircraft also use the area over in the hudson river to transition underneath the air space. the pilot was speaking to the tower after takeoff, electronically handed off to the new york tower on the radar screen. on the radar screen there was a symbol depicting the target aircraft, with one air-traffic controller pitching to the other, and electronically receiving and catching it, acknowledging what typically goes back to the piper pilot.

as i read yesterday, they have done the electronic handoff when the air traffic controller goes back to the pilot. the pilot was advised to change frequencies. the air traffic controller never had communication from the pilots, going back to the peterborough, of putting the aircraft on a heading, asking him to change frequencies. they received no response. we are looking into the time lines for the communication, trying to corroborate that information with the time lines on the radar hits that we showed you yesterday for both the piper and the helicopter, trying to corroborate communication that might have taken place

over that common frequency. we are trying to determine if anyone recorded that frequency in the hudson river area. peter borrow this not own or control the aerospace above 1,100 feet, that is managed by newark. peterborough would basically coordinate a handoff, and it is their responsibility to control the aircraft in the air space. we have some information from the air traffic control case. these were some of the communications as far as clarence, the air traffic controller and the pilot of the aircraft asked if they were

going to request southwest or downriver. the pilot responded -- either one. they came back, let me know. tell you what, said the pilot, i will take down the river. we are trying to communicate this sequence, the timing, and the expectation for handoff and control. this is from information that might have been conveyed to the pilot. pilots are advised, when they enter the exclusion area on the river, to tune into a common traffic advisory frequency.

that traffic frequency is one to 3.05 mhz. advisory in nature only, it is not required. this pilot was being handed off to new york, new jersey, on a different frequency. the floor of the airspace is 1101 can the ceiling of the area is 1100. neil: we are continuing to monitor this press conference. they have found the wreckage of a private plane that collided with a helicopter. two victims are thought to be

remaining in the river. getting to this plane is easier said than done, said to be lodged in about 60 feet of water in the middle of the river.

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>> i do not want you girls to shout at your mom and dad anymore. to be rude. neil: we thought we would get some tips for the rambunctious town hall protesters on both sides. who better to ask than the one person that wrote the book on

classy behavior? we have one of the stars of "the real housewives of new york city." raid to have you. >> great to be here. neil: i have been following these events, they are emotional and both sides get pretty worked up. there is a lot of shouting and name-calling. you are saying for both sides to cool it? of blacks in america we have healthy debating, but by hurting the feelings of people and making them feel uncomfortable, it shows a lack of respect. i do not agree with that. it is bad manners. i have a section in my book, which is dedicated to the art of making people feel comfortable. at the end of the day it is breaking down barriers and connecting with people that makes people feel comfortable.

that is what manners and class are all about. neil: do not interrupt, you are telling people that quite often. when you do that, you are taking the oxygen out of the room. >> i think that by interrupting people when they speak, that is a no-no. it happens all of the time. people have to keep an open mind and listen to what people have to say. by being respectful of others, you gain respect. try not to be judgmental. when you judge, you stop listening. neil: do not be judgmental and all of that. but when someone thinks that they are getting a song and dance, you cannot nicely say that my good sir, you are hoodwinking me. sometimes some passion is in order.

>> there are successful ways of saying things. instead of saying that you are wrong or that you cannot be serious, there are tackle ways of saying it, like other issues -- in my opinion or i disagree. i think it is in the delivery. neil: i know what you mean. but if these guys are approaching you condescendingly, not answering questions or being dismissive, or if the questions and get hot they say that you are un-american, people will get upset. they are free to get of said. >> of course they are free to get up said. we have freedom of speech. people are free to speak their minds. but i think that there is a way to do it with getting your point across and not getting he did. i think that a lot of things did miss in the interim. i think that there are ways of

approaching it with tact. neil: you say that you are giving failing grades on both sides? >> what is that? neil: failing grades on both sides? >> i think that they are not solving anything by going back and forth at each other. nothing is getting resolved. i think of this healthcare plan is new and it needs time. look, it took obama six months to pick out a dog. a health care system is going to take a while. neil: good point. thank you very much. >> thank you. neil: when we come back, et tu, g.i.joe? . taking its rightful place

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neil: finally, who knew g.i. joe hates corporate fat cats, too? america's number one movie this weekend is about an evil rich

guy intent on destroying the world. ring a bell? well, it should. this dude is and arms merchant, and for a twist, a scottish one. well, somewhat novel. leaving aside the accent, no mistaking his words or hollywood he's tired old script, because as much as heroes make change, the bad guys generally do know. joe just replaces an angry guinea pig in g-force aimed at wiping out the english-speaking mogul. let me repeat my dare to hollywood. if you can go to great lengths for special effects, why do you fall back on the same old tired cliche? g.i. joe is an american hero and he deserves better than to battle age old stereotypes. it is just a realist to say they are not all bad and certainly not all evil or in this fiction, lunacy. and arms dealer intent on destroying the world, or in g force, a house how old appliance

maker, appliance maker, essentially intent on doing the same thing, in "happy feet" a cute movie, corporate america intent on killing our environment and killing off penguins while they are at it. me, i have had enough of t i'm not saying they are renter taining movies although this g.i. joe one, despite my sons loved it, ain't likely to pick up any oscar nods. i'm just saying, would it kill hollywood to get creative on corporations and get out of typecast mode, maybe show a battle of moguls, one good, the other evil, fighting off to save the world or destroy it. hedge your bets. dare to say they're not that bad. i mean, if you were to apply these same snap judges to races, you would be called on the carpet. in hollywood, you are assured they will walk on t that's not fair to bosses who are not all that bad and not fair to kids who have yet to see any good.